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McClellan: Bush misled U.S. on Iraq

McClellan says in new book that White House used propaganda to sell war

By Michael D. Shear
The Washington Post

updated 12:57 a.m. ET, Wed., May. 28, 2008

Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the American people with a sophisticated "political propaganda campaign" led by President Bush and aimed at "manipulating sources of public opinion" and "downplaying the major reason for going to war."

McClellan includes the charges in a 341-page book, "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," that delivers a harsh look at the White House and the man he served for close to a decade. He describes Bush as demonstrating a "lack of inquisitiveness," says the White House operated in "permanent campaign" mode, and admits to having been deceived by some in the president's inner circle about the leak of a CIA operative's name.

The book, coming from a man who was a tight-lipped defender of administration aides and policy, is certain to give fuel to critics of the administration, and McClellan has harsh words for many of his past colleagues. He accuses former White House adviser Karl Rove of misleading him about his role in the CIA case. He describes Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as being deft at deflecting blame, and he calls Vice President Cheney "the magic man" who steered policy behind the scenes while leaving no fingerprints.

‘Selling the War’
McClellan stops short of saying that Bush purposely lied about his reasons for invading Iraq, writing that he and his subordinates were not "employing out-and-out deception" to make their case for war in 2002.

But in a chapter titled "Selling the War," he alleges that the administration repeatedly shaded the truth and that Bush "managed the crisis in a way that almost guaranteed that the use of force would become the only feasible option."

"Over that summer of 2002," he writes, "top Bush aides had outlined a strategy for carefully orchestrating the coming campaign to aggressively sell the war. . . . In the permanent campaign era, it was all about manipulating sources of public opinion to the president's advantage."

McClellan, once a staunch defender of the war from the podium, comes to a stark conclusion, writing, "What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary."

McClellan resigned from the White House on April 19, 2006, after nearly three years as Bush's press secretary. The departure was part of a shake-up engineered by new Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten that also resulted in Rove surrendering his policy-management duties.

‘Poisonous atmosphere in Washington’
A White House spokeswoman declined to comment on the book, some contents of which were first disclosed by Politico.com. The Washington Post acquired a copy of the book yesterday, in advance of its official release Monday.

Responding to a request for comment, McClellan wrote in an e-mail: "Like many Americans, I am concerned about the poisonous atmosphere in Washington. I wanted to take readers inside the White House and provide them an open and honest look at how things went off course and what can be learned from it. Hopefully in some small way it will contribute to changing Washington for the better and move us beyond the hyper-partisan environment that has permeated Washington over the past 15 years."

The criticism of Bush in the book is striking, given that it comes from a man who followed him to Washington from Texas.

Bush is depicted as an out-of-touch leader, operating in a political bubble, who has stubbornly refused to admit mistakes. McClellan defends the president's intellect -- "Bush is plenty smart enough to be president," he writes -- but casts him as unwilling or unable to be reflective about his job.

"A more self-confident executive would be willing to acknowledge failure, to trust people's ability to forgive those who seek redemption for mistakes and show a readiness to change," he writes.

Says Bush in permanent campaign mode
In another section, McClellan describes Bush as able to convince himself of his own spin and relates a phone call he overheard Bush having during the 2000 campaign, in which he said he could not remember whether he had used cocaine. "I remember thinking to myself, 'How can that be?' " he writes.

The former aide describes Bush as a willing participant in treating his presidency as a permanent political campaign, run in large part by his top political adviser, Rove.

"The president had promised himself that he would accomplish what his father had failed to do by winning a second term in office," he writes. "And that meant operating continually in campaign mode: never explaining, never apologizing, never retreating. Unfortunately, that strategy also had less justifiable repercussions: never reflecting, never reconsidering, never compromising. Especially not where Iraq was concerned."

McClellan has some kind words for Bush, calling him "a man of personal charm, wit and enormous political skill." He writes that the president "did not consciously set out to engage in these destructive practices. But like others before him, he chose to play the Washington game the way he found it, rather than changing the culture as he vowed to do at the outset of his campaign for the presidency."

Blames Rove for Katrina, Plame fiascos
McClellan charges that the campaign-style focus affected Bush's entire presidency. The ill-fated Air Force One flyover of New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina struck the city, was conceived of by Rove, who was "thinking about the political perceptions" but ended up making Bush look "out of touch," he writes.

He says the White House's reaction to Katrina was more than just a public relations disaster, calling it "a failure of imagination and initiative" and the result of an administration that "let events control us." He adds: "It was a costly blunder."

McClellan admits to letting himself be deceived about the unmasking of CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, which resulted in his relentless pounding by the White House press corps over the activities of Rove and of Cheney aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby in the matter.

"I could feel something fall out of me into the abyss as each reporter took a turn whacking me," he writes of the withering criticism he received as the story played out. "It was my reputation crumbling away, bit by bit." He also suggests that Rove and Libby may have worked behind closed doors to coordinate their stories about the Plame leak. Late last year, McClellan's publisher released an excerpt of the book that suggested Bush had knowledge of the leak, something that won McClellan no friends in the administration.

As McClellan departed the White House, he said: "Change can be helpful, and this is a good time and good position to help bring about change. I am ready to move on."

He choked up as he told Bush on the South Lawn, "I have given it my all, sir, and I have given you my all."

Bush responded at the time: "He handled his assignments with class, integrity. He really represents the best of his family, our state and our country. It's going to be hard to replace Scott."

Staff writer Michael Abramowitz contributed to this report.

© 2008 The Washington Post Company
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24848910/
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COMMENT: It seems that MANY of those who have served this current administration and who have left it, have not much GOOD to say about it?

Can they ALL be 'sour grapes' folks?

Can they ALL be only looking out for THEIR OWN behinds?

Can they ALL be LYING about what they write about?


IF so, then what does that say about the "TYPE" of folks selected to be in these various administration jobs over the past two terms?


Methinks it's time to THROW THE BUMS OUT!

And, by that, THIS old GRUMPY geezer means ALL the BUMS!


The ones in "CHARGE" the past few years and the ones who ALLOWED such to CONTINUE unabated!

It gives this old man NO pleasure to see OUR America in THIS light and SO BADLY 'represented', or MIS-Represented, on behalf of ALL it's PEOPLE's. No matter one's political views or lack of such.

It also gives this old man pause that WE, THE PEOPLE have NOT been MORE DEMANDING of ALL elected reps!

SHAME on THEM and SHAME on WE, THE PEOPLE!!!


TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 5:36 AM




Good luck throwing the Bums out!
Good luck in filling the space with honest, caring people, that do not have their own agenda to seek, while having a clear idea on how to preserve this once Great Nation of ours! Of course they will need 100% backing of every American that shares the same values!
I pray Heaven will have that!
 
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by Dennis_Reed (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 12:28 PM




TallPockets:

"The former aide describes Bush as a willing participant in treating his presidency as a permanent political campaign, run in large part by his top political adviser, Rove."

So, what's new?
 
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by Whit's Whittlings (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 12:34 PM




Good Afternoon, Thank you so much for continuing to stop by my blog, and leaving some very nice and encouraging words. The sad part of President Bush, just like so many of our past presidents, he could have been a great president if he just kept the American people as his number one priority. How hard can that possible be? I just don't understand how our elected political leaders can be so unconcerned to the point of being deaf and blind to their own people's needs.

Blessings,
Karen
 
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by RoieVanBib (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 1:20 PM




I took him 341 pages to tell us we were duped!!!!

I could have said that in about four words: "We were lied to!!!" but then, that's why he got the book contract and I didn't!!!

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 1:37 PM




Pockets,
We are gratified at McClellan's public revelations but you and I know this is not news. Had anyone been paying the slightest attention for these past 5 years they would have known that Bush and Company are lying, theiving, distorting, manipulating scoundrels. I was never once fooled by the propaganda that so many gullible consumers swallowed hook, line and sinker. This is what happens when an unenlightened populace puts their trust in a name. We must never trust our elected officials. Make them verify everything especially in matters of war and national security. I blame the American people as much as Bush for this horrible mess we find ourselves in. Our educational system has failed us once again. Why do we not teach civics, social studies, and history as we used to teach when I was a boy? I'll tell you. The Republicans and Neo-cons don't want an educated public. Keep them fat and happy with a myriad of gagets to buy and they will pay no attention to the RAPE OF THE REPUBLIC. Too much Jesus on the brain and not nearly enough Constitution. Too much heaven on the mind and not nearly enough concern for our earthly home, a real place. Cheers, Toadie
 
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by Toadie (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 1:47 PM




Pockets

I don't think I would ever want to be a politician. There careers are judged "after the fact" - meaning - that old 20/20 hindsight is always in play. Now it is strange to me that "bed-fellow" who leave the bed - NOW say they didn't like what was going on. Yet - while they were there and could possibly do something to help the issue- they were quiet.

I am really not trusting many of them - and now especially in today's world of "if you have money" You can be President. It is no longer who the best man is - but who can the the most financially empowered - that will be our next president.

Even our judicial system is based upon money - if you have it - you will be found NOT guilty (because it is not about guilt, but what can be hiden from the jurors) - but if you don't have the money for the expensive lawyers - You're going to spend lots of years in prison. Both ideas are NOT exceptable to me.

Thanks for allowing me to shout out - Much love to you
 
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by Lookin' (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 2:04 PM




Toadie

I must take exception with your "Republicans pigeon hole idea" that we have too much Jesus and aren't thinking about earth but heaven. (Paraphrasing of your words.)

I hope that American will always be a country founded on Christian values and that Jesus will always be an example of "what to do”! -

It doesn't matter to me if you are Republican or Democrat - a lie is a lie and screwing the other person or killing the enemy without justification is still wrong and peace over war is always right. I think if more people valued Christian ethics we would have less problems. Of course that is coming from a Christian who values people above politics.

I just wanted to clarify those ideas that put all of us Republicans or Democrats in the box you're complaining about. Have a great day and I hope you may see some things a bit clearer than before - from one of us Jesus "freaks" who uses HIM as an example on how to treat all people of this earth.
 
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by Lookin' (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 2:19 PM




Lookin,I must take exception with your comment. This country was not founded on Christian principles as too many Americans think. Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists. Be that as it may, Christian values are not necessarily the highest values upon which man may draw. I realize that as a Christian you consider yourself to be a part of The Greatest Story Ever Told but I do not share you vision. The examples of Jesus are, indeed, fine examples of how to treat one another, but the truth is that the fundamentalist church and the Republican Party have made a mess of this nation. I do not blame all christians, most are decent people who at worst are not paying attention to the abuses of bad politicians. But there is a faction of "Jesus Freaks" who reflect the Old Testament and not the New Covenant preached by Jesus. Too many religious leaders in the christian faith have used their pulpits for political gain and social disruption. These are the christians of whom I speak and you know who they are. I, too, place the welfare of people above the needs of politicians, but I also place the welfare of the nation above the dictates of any diety. I wish you well. Toadie  
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by Toadie (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 2:56 PM




Toadie

I totally agree with most of your above statement - I am one who uses not only my Christian Ethics - but my God given "Brain" to see the evils and wrongs of mankind. That doesn't take away from Jesus being a role model - but probably adds to the equation. You may agree or not. I have found that some politicians will say anything to get a vote - no matter their affiliation with party.

I think it boils down to following what the golden rule projects - but now-a-days some people aren't even aware of what the "golden rule" is all about - I don't believe it is a religious fact but a human factor that should be used. "Do unto others what you want done to you" (basically) I really think that each of us set out to do the best we can each day - as I have never met anyone who got up and chose to the do "the second-best" thing that day.

Mistakes - we all make - the effort is to chose someone who makes less than I on most subjects - (with my age that is getting easier than you think) I also wish you a great day - full of wisdom - as no matter what people say they believe - we can all use more wisdom.
 
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by Lookin' (PM , CC ) on Wednesday May 28, 2008 @ 3:26 PM




DENNIS: HELLO & THANKS for your comments and insights. MUCH appreciated, my friend.

When TallPockets played 'sports' and coached 'sports', he never minimized how LUCK COULD play a PART in such. However, he often heard that teams who had been beaten would say, "The other team was LUCKY".

Over the years he coached and played, TallPockets came to realize that MOST of the LUCKIEST? teams often seemed also to be MOST of the BEST "TEAMS". Go figure. WINK.

Methinks we don't need LUCK, my friend. We need to roll up OUR sleeves. WE, THE PEOPLE. To get behind this RED vs. BLUE 'war' like venomous battle of words. To COMPROMISE wherever possible to make OUR America the BEST it CAN and SHOULD be.

The longer I live, my friend, the MORE this old DUMB geezer firmly believes that "WE, THE PEOPLE" get what WE ALLOW and what WE then DESERVE by ALLOWING such!

Blesssings, my friend. My BEST.

TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 2:28 AM




WHIT: HELLO & THANKS for your comments. MUCH appreciated, as always. Refer kindly to the above post of mine to DennisReed.

To THIS DUMB old man, dear whit, BOTH sides of the aisle, have taken to being 'political' in ALL things MOST all the time in recent decades.

Someone recently wrote a book, "It's Getting UGLY out there", I think. Can't remember the 'author's name'?


You want to see how OUR country is run and going? Just read the various LEFT and RIGHT wing BLOGS all around. They don't talk TO one another. They SHOUT AT one another.

~SIGH~


Question put to Benjamin Franklin after a long, hot, summer debate to finally establish OUR CONSTITUTION:

"What have you all created, Mr. Franklin"?

Answer by Mr. Franklin:

"A REPUBLIC - IF they can KEEP it".


That about sums it up about as well as I could, dear whit.

My BEST to you and yours,

TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 2:34 AM




''I just don't understand how our elected political leaders can be so unconcerned to the point of being deaf and blind to their own people's needs.'' (ROIE, a.k.a. KAREN above quote) -----


ROIE/KAREN: HELLO & THANKS for droppin' by my feeble attempt at a blog site. MUCH appreciated.

Methinks that TallPockets just does NOT understand how OUR CITIZENS can be so DEAF and BLIND to the runnings of THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT for SO LONG to allow it to CONTINUE to run as you so mentioned above?


Again, as I often repeat, it's like the FOX near the HENHOUSE.

Said FOX is being what it is. A FOX.

While those in charge of the HENHOUSE only COMPLAIN about said FOX and do LITTLE about FOX. All the while, the HENHOUSE is being RAIDED.

Make sense, kind soul?

Blessings to you and yours,

TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 2:39 AM




AZRON: HELLO & THANKS for visiting my way. MUCH appreciated, as always.


Being a 'therapist', I'm sure you've dealt with MANY clients who have told you that their 'spouse' had CHEATED on them. REPEATEDLY.

So, I HUMBLY ask YOUR professional opinion, ''At what point does IGNORANCE no longer become an 'EXCUSE' for SOMEONE ELSE's DEEDS?''

And, at what point is the OFFENDEE, once it is KNOWN to THEM that a WRONG is being done TO them by another, bear the MOST fault in allowing themselves to CONTINUE to be party to such?


It is THIS old man's views, dear Azron, that WE, THE PEOPLE have KNOWN such and STILL allow it to continue.

Do you see this differently?

My BEST to you and yours, kind soul.

TallPockets.

 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 2:44 AM




''We must never trust our elected officials. Make them verify everything especially in matters of war and national security. I blame the American people as much as Bush for this horrible mess we find ourselves in.'' (Toadie quote above) ---


TOADIE: HELLO & THANKS for spending some of your most valuable time to head this old man's way. MUCH appreciated.


I think that the above statement of yours would find about a 99% AGREEMENT with citizens of ALL colors or lack of such.

THAT, to this dumb old TallPockets, is what WE, THE PEOPLE, SHOULD be focusing on and correcting and maintaining!


As I've stated before to all -- TallPocket's short life of about 57 years, has shown ONE thing to be TRUE:

NEITHER the REPUBS OR the DEMS, NON Political folks/groups, Religious OR NON Religious folks, have a monopoly on GENIUS OR STUPIDITY. OR, on HONESTY OR CORRUPTION.

I think that when OUR discourse fails to recognize that basic premise, then WE FAIL as a PEOPLE. EN MASSE.

Stay COOL in HOT Az. WINK.

My BEST to you and yours,

TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 2:53 AM




''Now it is strange to me that "bed-fellow" who leave the bed - NOW say they didn't like what was going on. Yet - while they were there and could possibly do something to help the issue- they were quiet.'' (LOOKIN quote above) ----

LOOKIN: HELLO & THANKS for visiting this old man's site and leaving your thoughts and views. MUCH appreciated, as always.

I too, think MONEY is an EVIL in American Political processes. From ALL sides. Even MORE so than in days past. It takes HUGE amounts of it to even RUN for higher offices these days. That, in and of itself, breeds BAD possibilities. Which, far too often, come true. SIGH.

I especially noted your last line above .... "They were QUIET".

THIS old man would AGREE. SPEAK UP I say to those IN OFFICE WHILE they see BAD going on! NOT later.

However, kind soul, and I RANT about this FOREVER to ALL in my feeble blogosphere, "WE THE PEOPLE" are QUIET!

WAY to quiet! WAY too often! Make sense, kind soul?

Blessings to you and yours,

My BEST always,

TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 2:59 AM




TallPocket's SUMMATION:

From MY simpleton viewpoint, methinks that Mr. McClellan woke up at some point in time and realized he was LIED to. Especially, it seems, about the OUTING of Valerie Plame/C.I.A. agent.

He was with Mr. Bush in TEXAS and followed him to the White House where he eventually ascended to Press Secretary.

I watched Mr. McClellan over the years during his PRESS CONFERENCES with REPORTERS.

To be KIND, Mr. McClellan was a 'fish outta' water'. In my past 'business' dealings, he would NOT have been HIRED by ME. He was NOT GOOD at his JOB.

In fact, at times watching Mr. McClellan, I was BOTH ANGERED and filled with head shaking PITY for him.

Mr. Bush has had a 'history' of giving high jobs to FRIENDS. ALL elected folks do this. But, they usually assign HIGHLY QUALIFIED folks to MATCHING jobs SKILLS.

One only has to look at, "You're doin' a GOOD job, Brownie" of FEMA fame as ONE instance of such FRIENDS appointments. Without much regard to QUALIFICATIONS and Job SKILLS fitting such JOBS.

"I" think, that Mr. McClellan had finally gotten a belly full. I think he TRULY revered Mr. Bush in the beginning. And, when he finally realized, over time and circumstances, that he WAS LIED to and put out front for THEM to do THEIR biddings as such, he was DEEPLY hurt and offended.

So, Mr. McClellan wrote his book.

I have NOT yet read it as I heard it won't be officially out until next week?


However, some who HAVE seen ADVANCE copies say it BEGINS with this:

"The TRUTH shall set you FREE".


Add Mr. McClellan to an EVER GROWING LIST of NOT so NICE book writers who previously served Mr. Bush.

Some who come to mind are: George Tenet (C.I.A. Head), Richard Clarke (Terrorism expert - Served BOTH dem and repub prez's), Paul O'Neil (Treasury Secretary).


The old saying, "Hell hath no fury like a WOMAN's scorn", THIS old man finds to be ALSO applicable to MEN folk.

WINK?


TallPockets .... over and out for the time being ....

Time for HIM to write a BOOK?

SMILE.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 3:11 AM




Boy, did you get a good series of comments. Great post.

Who is the good guy in this one? Other than you and me, no one. We all know what McClellan says is right on the button. As Azron says "It took him 341 pages to tell us we were duped!!!!". But McClellan is such a wimp. Selling his honor and good name to get some money and for vengeance. I would not invite Bush, Cheney, nor McClellan to my house for dinner.
 
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by sinann (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 7:03 AM




Tall,'

I think your use of the 'overlooking of the cheating spouse' by the offended party as a metaphor of many of our nation overlooking the deceptions and lies of our government is interesting and correct.

This conservatives in this country have a history of being lead down the path of denial. I wish someone would write a psychological history of the country since the break-in at the Watergate hotel by Nixon's plumbers. (If such a book exists, please tell me - I will go and buy it!)

Nixon's lying unleashed a cosmic force which has held this country in its grip to this day. The resulting moral decay is rampant. (There is no difference between what Ken Lay did at Enron and Nixon and Watergate.) Ronald Reagan was a president in denial. He was 'dry drunk' who acted out his father's inability to be emotionally available to his son due to his alcoholism. The Iran-Contra affair was Watergate all over again - deception, lies, cover-up. (Don't be deceived by Reagan's fireside chats - they were part of the emotional coverup. Being a nation used to deception, we bought it.)

Well, you get the drift, Tall.

Like a woman who cannot live without the nice house and the creature comforts provided by her philandering husband, our nation continues to 'overlook' the cheating drugged by our sense of security in the lifestyles afforded to us in the 'wealthiest country in the world'.

That is my take, sir.

What do you think?

ron
 
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by AZRON (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 10:54 AM




SINANN: HELLO my friend and THANKS for your visit. MUCH appreciated and WELCOME back after your TRIP. GLAD you and yours ENJOYED it.

YES, I also think McClellan is/was a WIMP. That's WHY HE got the JOB, dear sinann.

There are TWO kinds of MANAGERS or LEADERS, dear sinann. ONE type, like TallPockets was when he ran factories, WANTED the BEST available TALENTED folks he could FIND and HIRE! To make HIM BETTER and his company BETTER!

The OTHER type, my friend, are those who hire DOWN as it were .... Someone who will NEVER be a REAL THREAT to take THEIR job or give them ANY problems. Like sheep following sheep. Head to tail end.

Methinks that Mr. Bush hired the LATTER just mentioned types OFTEN. Thus, methinks Mr. Bush got LITTLE 'argument' from his appointees and usually only hired those who were YES men types for the most part.

The DOWNFALL in all this, dear sinann, is that when NO ONE TELLS the EMPEROR that he has NO CLOTHES, at SOME point in time, the PEOPLE FIGURE that out and maybe, just maybe, so does the EMPEROR?? TOO late.

While "I" also bust Mr. McClellan for NOT speaking up WHILE on the job, AT LEAST I give HIM SOME CREDIT, for SPEAKING UP now. More than MANY folks do?

SIGH.

My BEST to you and yours,

TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 11:05 AM




Like a woman who cannot live without the nice house and the creature comforts provided by her philandering husband, our nation continues to 'overlook' the cheating drugged by our sense of security in the lifestyles afforded to us in the 'wealthiest country in the world'.

That is my take, sir.

What do you think?

ron


AZRON: HELLO again and THANKS again for your comments!

This old man thinks YOU gave a VERY APT description of the current political state of affairs within America these days.

Methinks you described BOTH the REPUBS AND the DEMS quite WELL above!

The ONLY caution I might add your way would be to notice how one can 'blame' the OTHER side for MOST of the ills caused.

Yet, to MY continued thinking, those on the RECEIVING END of said OFFENDER(s) at SOME point come to REALIZE the predicament they're IN.

To THIS DUMB old man, at THAT point, I again continually contend that THEY THEN become PART of the PROBLEM by having ACKNOWLEDGED it occurring, yet ALLOWING it to CONTINUE.

It TRULY saddens this old geezer to watch the finger pointings and blame game. GRANTED, there can be LITTLE real argument about BLAME. There is MORE than PLENTY to GO AROUND to ALL as I TRIED to describe above.

WHO is MORE to BLAME, dear Azron?

The CHEATING husband? OR, the WIFE who KNOWS he cheats on her and STILL stays with said cheater?

"I" contend, that at SOME point, BOTH are JUST as GUILTY of BLAME?

But, that is ONLY THIS old man's thoughts. He HAS been known to be WRONG before. He EMBARRASSINGLY now states he was WRONG in thinking that the LOVELY Miss Halle Berry would be his WIFE and bear him a SON. TallPockets Jr. WINK.

On the PLUS side, when TallPockets IS wrong, he will ADMIT it. PUBLICLY. (Ok, Miss Halle. See? You can STOP the RESTRAINING and STALKING order now!!). SMILE.


TallPockets.

 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 11:16 AM




TallPockets,
My use of Best Luck, for me, would be the same as best wishes. Like so many, we attact the semantics rather than attempt to understand the content. I also see a lot of blame tossed at everything, including religion. Sad!
 
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by Dennis_Reed (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 5:16 PM




DENNIS: HELLO my FRIEND & THANKS once again for your insights and comments. MUCH appreciated, as ALWAYS.

My apologies if this old man mistook your intent. I understood where YOU were comin' from above. But, sadly, I find NOT many like you, my friend.

Those on EITHER side of the DEBATE who will ADMIT that THEIR side does indeed HAVE problems THEY created. SIGH.

I also think, from my humble perspective, that folks, including RELIGIOUS ones like you and I who so believe, have EARNED SOME of their 'blame'. It gives me NO pleasure, of course, to ADMIT that. But, it IS true in SOME instances. Often, they are HIGH PROFILE leaders who are thrust into the public spotlight which gives a BAD name to the rest. Make sense?


It's like, to Me, when a PRIEST molests his flock. Or when a COP goes BAD. Or when a FIREMAN starts fires to feed his EGO. The WORST of the worst who PONTIFICATE about GOOD and hold OTHERS to THEIR preachings and then go out and make the NORMAL folks look SANE in comparison after witnessing the STUFF that the MORAL folks actually DO. SIGH. GRR.

I wrote and posted a piece here awhile back, Dennis. "Why SOME folks don't like US RELIGIOUS" folks. I tried my BEST to be HONEST about WHY.

I think that those being ATTACKED must DEFEND themselves when appropriate, of course. However, I also think when it is SHOWN that WRONG HAS been done, those like I mentioned above, PRIESTS, FIREMEN, COPS MUST PUBLICLY CONDEMN such acts.

I just see, my friend, FAR too often, EACH SIDE will CONVENIENTLY OVERLOOK the 'faults' of their leaders because they ARE or WERE on THEIR side. NOT right, to this old man, my friend. NOT right. SIGH.

I guess, after all this BABBLING, the ENTIRE point of my FEEBLE blog site, has been to ATTEMPT to state and show that EACH side and EVERY person has to take STOCK of THEIR part of the PROBLEMS in society and ADMIT to them and then TRY their BEST to FIX them.

Somehow, I OFTEN feel, my friend, like I'm SPITTING IN THE WIND, ya' know? SIGH.

Blessings always, BROTHER Dennis.

My BEST, my FRIEND ....

TallPockets.
 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Thursday May 29, 2008 @ 10:16 PM




This can be compared to the bushel of Apples. We all know that one rotten one will spoil the whole lot. But one does not sit, and condemn the whole lot, nor does one point at that bad one, and talk about how it effects the rest of the batch. One simply pulls the bad one out.
Now doing the later in concern with corruption in government may not be as easy, however there still are actions that can be instigated. I guess the key word is ACTION.
 
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by Dennis_Reed (PM , CC ) on Friday May 30, 2008 @ 2:40 PM




DENNIS: HELLO again, my FRIEND. THANKS for your thoughts and insights, once again. MUCH appreciated, as always.

Methinks WE AGREE on MOST things. I too, think ONE bad apple SHOULD be removed as SOON as it's found to BE BAD and BEFORE it DOES SPOIL the whole bunch! (Hmmm .... reminds TallPockets of the OSMOND hit song, One Bad Apple - WINK) ....

I also AGREE wholeheartedly with you that ACTION IS the KEY word. And, SADLY, to THIS dumb old man's views, he's seen LITTLE of it from EITHER side when it NEEDS to be DONE .... SIGH .... GRRRR ....

And, in times of VARIOUS admins ''of the day'' who are in charge, SOME have MORE bad apples than OTHERS do .... thus, MORE ACTIONS are NEEDED ....

It's like, to ME, when I sit outside after a nice summer b-b-q my friend. Only to begin to have ONE MOSQUITO bite me. OK .... NOT enough to RUIN the night, right?

Then, I get FIVE more MOSQUITO BITES .... Then, TEN .... Pretty soon, Dennis, they are FLOCKING around and withdrawing TallPocket's blood faster than a RED CROSS WORKER! WINK.

And, in the process of such, they make LIFE MISERABLE for TallPockets.

Sometimes, my friend, when the MOSQUITOES get to be TOO many at any ONE time, you have to break out the DEFOGGER!! There are FAR too many to pick off ONE By ONE .... Make sense? .... SMILE

Sorry, maybe a not so good ANALOGY regarding CORRUPT and CROOKED and INEPT politicos, but the best THIS DUMB old man could come up with given his mental state. GRIN.

BLESSINGS to you always my FRIEND ... ALWAYS I say ....

TallPockets.

 
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by TallPockets For Prez 2008 (PM , CC ) on Saturday May 31, 2008 @ 11:03 AM




BTW: As one who is around FARM country and know of couple folks who raise APPLES, they always keep a CLOSE WATCH on them when they STORE them for LATER sale.

And, IF they see a PROBLEM developing that MAY cause FURTHER spoilage, they IMMEDIATELY attack/solve the problem by EITHER REMOVING the BAD Apple(s) OR finding a NEW and BETTER way to STORE them.

BLESSINGS, my friend .... BLESSINGS always ....

TallPockets.
 
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